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Poking about the web yesterday, I came very unexpectedly upon a review of Silk and Murder of Angels at BlogCritics.org, the two books reviewed together. A right grand review, at that, which I'd never before seen, even though it was posted October 8th, 2004. Someone who — mostly — gets it, and the review is intelligent and insightful. Being described as "H.P. Lovecraft's spiritual granddaughter" made me smile for hours, even though I suspect I'd probably scare the bejesus out of poor old H. P. ("At least," says Spooky.) By the way, my offer of free signed copies of the tpb of Silk still stands for any new Sirenia Digest subscribers...by the way.

Today, I begin an experiment in which my usual morning post is replaced by an evening post. Here's the deal. There's so goddamn much work right now, the only hope I have of having time left to walk and exercise during the day is to bump the blog entry to the evening. And exercise I must. So, we'll see how this works out. But it's only temporary. I'm gonna go back to morning entries sometime this spring, at the very latest.

I wrote 1,188 words yesterday, and 1,341 today. Then Spooky and I spent the rest of the afternoon getting started on the proofreading of Low Red Moon for the mass-market paperback. We made it through the prologue and chapters One and Two. I had forgotten how much I love this book. At this point, it's my second favorite of my novels, after Daughter of Hounds. I do hope that this new edition (the third since 2003!), gives it another shot and a wider readership. Many typos and errors will be corrected in the text. Also today I dealt with the last bit of Tales from the Woeful Platypus, which is no longer mine to deal with. It's out of my hands now. Which is a relief. That's one thing off my plate.

In the comments to Tuesday's entry regarding my reworking of Wicca, my use of the Sindarin word sigil rather than the "traditional" athame for the black-handled ritual dagger, someone noted the parallel with the English word sigil and all its connotations (some of which I admit I find annoying, because of chaos magick's use of the word). Today, I recalled the name Sigel, which, despite spelling differences, is actually closer to a genuine homonym of the Sindarin sigil ("see-geel"). Sigel is the Old English incarnation of the Norse sun goddess Sól, which actually works out very nicely. I'm sure Tolkien must have been aware of this parallel.

Someone else asked what I thought would be left when I'd finished purging Wicca of all Gardner's Judeo-Xtian elements. Which is a good question. The answer is likely complex, though I might, for the time, say "Very little, I suspect." Indeed, so little will likely remain that I shall have to abandon the name Wicca in favour of something else. A lot of the elements in question are not only to be found in Wicca, but in NeoPaganism, in general. The pentagram or pentacle, for example. That's not a pagan symbol. Though it is not impossible to imagine that some Celtic or Norse or Eastern European architect or proto-mathematician might have stumbled upon this geometric configuration, it comes to Wicca directly from ceremonial magick, Freemasonry, the Order of the Golden Dawn, etc. Instead, I am employing a simple circle to define "sacred" ritual space. Many other basic elements of Wicca have already been discarded — calling to the four quarters, for example, another thing which Gardner borrowed from ceremonial magick. And the "Rede," which likely comes to Wicca via Aleister Crowley's formulation of the Laws of Thelema. The "Three Fold Law" seems more like a weird marriage of Buddhism and Xtianity than anything else, and is a concept which I find fundamentally absurd (for reasons discussed in earlier entries). Likewise, I have no use for Wicca's obsession with gender duality, which is, at best, dated and rendered irrelevant by transgenderism and over-population and a number of other things. At worst, it is sexist, homophobic, and skewed towards the cisgendered. The system which will work for me must regard gender not as a duality, but as a continuum.

So, as you can see, it looks less and less like Wicca all the time. I am keeping many of the ritual tools — the black-handled dagger (as mentioned above), the chalice (as it has mythic resonance beyond the Xtian "grail"), the cauldron, the broom, the altar stone, and so forth. In the end, this is about my belief that a) NeoPaganism should not be infused at every turn with Judeo-Xtian elements, b) that a Nature religion should be a Nature religion, reflecting the complexities of the natural world instead of outmoded human dualisms, and c) the belief that while a NeoPagan may reach back for myth and tradition and history, sheheit must also reach ahead. As I've said before, we need a paganism for the 21st Century, not the 17th or 5th.

We shall see where all this leads. Comments and feedback is welcome on all these points, by the way.

I'm still giving Heroes a chance. The last couple of episodes have hooked me again, as they have seemed less bland, less televisiony. Maybe I just have a crush on Hiro.

Oh! I almost forgot. I got Zoe, which pleases me immensely.

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Date: 2006-12-07 05:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greygirlbeast.livejournal.com
Why do I feel like Spooky has somehow inspired this title?

Because you are clearly a bright garda.

My question is (at this point) should you ever end up penning Post-Industrial Paganism, would you expect anyone else to adhere to it?

No. I would not expect it. I would, however, be pleased if they did, as one thing I feel I've lost is fellowship. The whole species of one, parahumanism thing was a logical, perhaps inevitable conclusion, as was the creation of my own path — after a long period of denial — but both have come at a high price, I feel.

Would it be a viable religious praxis for anyone other than oneself?

I can't yet answer that. Maybe I never will be able to answer that.

When does adaptation of an existing ethos become so distanced from the original source(s) as to become a distinct spiritual concept?

Well, if we restrict the question to Wicca, especially to contemporary American "white witch" fluffy bunny Wicca, I'd say that I've already passed that point. I've rejected the Rede and the Three-fold Law, both of which are held fairly dogmatically by "orthodox" covens (there's an oxymoron). I do not yet know what this new thing is, but I'm increasingly sure it won't be right to call it Wicca much longer. I could always plead schism and slap a branch label on it. I could stoke my ego and call it Kiernanian Wicca. I could call is Scientific Wicca. But in the end, all such lables are just a vain attempt to avoid the obvious fact that it is no longer the religion that Gerald Gardner invented and for which he tried to claim an ancient pedigree. I do not feel uncomfortbale, presently, calling it simply witchcraft (sensu lato).

The pull of fellowship is strong.

Date: 2006-12-07 06:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] edwarddain.livejournal.com
But I settle for NeoPagan or NeoShaman rather tha Wicca or Witchcraft.

Not that I've thought about this in awhile, but I suppose Witchcraft as a descriptor or title would work as well. But I think I'd end up having to explain myself more. That would give me a headache.

I really try to avoid headaches.

Usually without success.

Re: The pull of fellowship is strong.

Date: 2006-12-07 12:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greygirlbeast.livejournal.com
But I settle for NeoPagan or NeoShaman rather tha Wicca or Witchcraft.

I have difficulties with shaman. On the one hand, my own magickal studies began largely because of a number of unexpected (and still unexplained) experiences which I can only describe as shamanistic. On the other had, I think that the word has been hopeless divided from any meaningful cultural context by New Agers. I don't think one should call oneself a shaman unless the background is there, the infrastructure that comes from a long tribal tradition which not only recognizes shamans, but knows how to train and care for them. I'm very skittish about the appropriation of indigenous culture by "outsiders." Of cousre, these are my problems, and I do not even know in what sense you mean shaman.

Re: The pull of fellowship is strong.

Date: 2006-12-07 04:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tagplazen.livejournal.com
Just had to throw a thank you here. The statement I've always loved came from Brion Gysin, (Spooky might know this because the tape came from Soleilmoon/The Ooze in Ptlnd) when the conversation turns to Morrocan magicians Gysin is asked if he himself is a shaman. "Hell no, because to become one of those, you have to lose your balls, and I'm quite attached to mine thank you very much."

Re: The pull of fellowship is strong.

Date: 2006-12-07 05:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] edwarddain.livejournal.com
I've gone back and forth on the use of the term shaman - and that's one of the reasons why I tend towards the use of the term NeoShaman. I have exactly the same issues with cultural strip-mining, which is why you don't find me talking, except in the most general of terms, about "traditional" practices. Alternately I'll talk about them as exemplars for details of my own practice, but without any claim that I'm doing "x."

My own history also has a definitine shamanistic characteristics and markers. My own mentor taught me in a specifically shamanistic path (as he had been). His teacher(s) emphasized not only the practical but a clear understanding of the wider context for shamanistic practice. The first thing he required me to study was Eliade's Shamanism. From that there was great deal of discussion about the context of shamanistic practice in a modern, non-tribal society. There are many ways in which spirit-work, soul-healing, and trance can be and has been "hidden in plain sight."

My own community-of-practice, as it has evolved over the years, is the Altsex community (LGBT, BDSM, Poly, etc). In recent years, there's also been a growing awareness of sacred BDSM in NeoPagan contexts - see Raven Kaldera's work on the Ordeal Path or his book Dark Moon Rising for most recent and best treatment of it. And the role of what we now call BDSM or Body Modification in spiritual practice is very well documented - and getting more acceptance.

Rather than shaman I would use the term hierus - it fits better due to it's association with sacrifice and ritual.

Nomenclature

Date: 2006-12-07 05:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stsisyphus.livejournal.com
I do not feel uncomfortable, presently, calling it simply witchcraft (sensu lato).

Yet, I find it odd that one could apply the term "witchcraft" to a practice which assumes itself to be supernaturally impuissant. There is a respect for nature, for the variated macrocosm, and an acknowledgement of the unknown and the tacit realities which are not immediately accessible by temporal, human knowledge & consciousness. But outside of the ritual tools, the kernel of form adapted from "traditional" Wiccan or pagan ceremony, and a worship decentralized from any particular ego/personage/deity - how much does it have in common with "witchcraft"?

Purely from the opinion of an unqualified observer, I think you could probably dismiss the term (and its familial factions and schisms) entirely. Not that I have a handy, sound-bite worthy alternative to suggest. Pancosmic Beatificist? Metamillennial Heathen? Eremitical Ecstatic/chthonicist? Esoteric Meta-terrestrialism? Those took me forty five minutes to approximate.

I like "metamillennial heathen" as a title (rather than a movement or religion) if only for the conventional division from non-Judo/Xtain/Islamic traditions, and the possibility of transcendent chronology.

Would it be a viable religious praxis for anyone other than oneself?

I can't yet answer that. Maybe I never will be able to answer that.

Don't sweat it. A lot of those questions were rhetorical. I appreciate your willingness to discuss this topic with an "infidel".

Re: Nomenclature

Date: 2006-12-07 10:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greygirlbeast.livejournal.com
Yet, I find it odd that one could apply the term "witchcraft" to a practice which assumes itself to be supernaturally impuissant.

This is filled with subtlties of meaning. With subtlties, period. I'm not sure I can be sufficiently articulate just now. And it could occupy a post all its own, a suitable attempt at an answer. One can go on and on about the etymology of the word witch (and synonyms in other languages).

There is a respect for nature, for the variated macrocosm, and an acknowledgement of the unknown and the tacit realities which are not immediately accessible by temporal, human knowledge & consciousness. But outside of the ritual tools, the kernel of form adapted from "traditional" Wiccan or pagan ceremony, and a worship decentralized from any particular ego/personage/deity - how much does it have in common with "witchcraft"?


There may not be more. Yet there may. But regardless, I think your confusion at my preference for the word may arise, in part, from misconceptions, some of them popular, some perpetuated by Wiccans and practicioners of other sorts of witchcraft, some of who with to be seen as the One True Path. But, on the other hand, I know there are many who self identify as witch who are rationalists, atheists, scientists, loathers of superstition and self-delusion and dogma. I am keeping something more than those tools, I think. I'll get back to this later.

I like "metamillennial heathen" as a title

Sadly, for me the word heathen is forever tainted and ruined by personal experiences with racist Odinists, as well as by certain followers of Asatru who have also embraced racism and homophobia. They wish to distinguish themselves from pagans, and so have chosen the word heathen. Some days, I want to create to proclaim myself an Odinist, just to frell with them.

Esoteric Meta-terrestrialism?

I kind of like that one.

I know I'm not making a lot of sense right now. I know. But there is a metaphysics in my work. There is not much faith or belief, and I will have nothing whatsoever to do with superstition, nor with theism or polytheism (beyond its use as metaphor and symbol). But there is a something I'm trying to reach, whether it lies within me or without.

One day, it will all make sense...

Re: Nomenclature

Date: 2006-12-08 04:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stsisyphus.livejournal.com
This is filled with subtlties of meaning. With subtlties, period.... One can go on and on about the etymology of the word witch (and synonyms in other languages)....I think your confusion at my preference for the word may arise, in part, from misconceptions, some of them popular, some perpetuated by Wiccans and practicioners of other sorts of witchcraft...

On the first part of this, I am curious. I don't know if this is something that needs to be expounded in a journal entry - although there may be others reading who (like myself) are not well educated & might benefit from some clarification. On the second, concerning misconceptions, I will unreservedly concede that my conception of "witchcraft" has very likely been influenced by those sources.

Sadly, for me the word heathen is forever tainted and ruined by personal experiences with racist Odinists, as well as by certain followers of Asatru who have also embraced racism and homophobia. They wish to distinguish themselves from pagans, and so have chosen the word heathen.

Well, I was thinking strictly from the idea of "one who lives on the heath", with more of an emphasis on one who lives of the land, rather than someone in opposition to organized Judeo-Christian religion. But yes, I had forgotten about that regrettable appropriation and the stigma such a term might carry. Fuckers. I say take the term back for yourself.

Esoteric Meta-terrestrialism?

I kind of like that one.

Go for it.

But there is a metaphysics in my work. There is not much faith or belief, and I will have nothing whatsoever to do with superstition, nor with theism or polytheism (beyond its use as metaphor and symbol).

But isn't there a dialogue between the exterior/third-entity metaphysical and the interior/first-entity metaphysical? Erg. I think I'd have to have at least three drinks in me before I could stumble further into this. I think I'm skittering on glass as it is.

But there is a something I'm trying to reach, whether it lies within me or without.

I was just listening to The Crane Wife while I was reading this and found this to resonate somehow...

...And it called & cried
It called & cried so

But all the stars were crashing 'round
As I laid eyes on what I found...


Keep reaching. I'll just marvel that someone manages the strength to try.

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