Platypus Vs. Mechaplatypus!
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Overcast and dreary here in Providence.
Another very good writing day yesterday. I did 1,670 words on The Drowning Girl. Keeping this book's voice on course is a matter of always having to remind myself that I'm writing a book by a schizophrenic, not a book about a schizophrenic. At any rate, the Word Bank grows.
Nothing spectacular about yesterday. It was just a decent day, and those are always welcome. We lit the fireplace for the first time this year. There was a problem with the oven not lightning, but the repair guy came and fixed it. Spooky made corn muffins to go with the second night of chicken and andouille stew. Lately, I love days strewn with mundane events.
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Before anyone else gets this wrong, I need to clarify the matter about Rhode Island electing its first independent governor. Lincoln D. Chafee is not a Libertarian, sensu the Libertarian Party. He is a civil libertarian, but that's another thing altogether. I would imagine he's many of the things Libertarians hate. For instance, he opposes eliminating the federal estate tax and, on November 17, 2005, was the only Republican to vote in favor of reinstating the top federal income tax rate of 39.6% on upper-income payers. Moreover, I am not a Libertarian. Moreover, I detest the Libertarian Party and have since college. Were I to categorize myself politically, I'd probably say I'm a far-left leaning Democrat. So, hope we're all clear on that now.
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I've been playing lots of City of Heroes and Villains lately. Too much really, which is what happens when I'm having too much fun. I'm not so much crazy about the game part of the game, which I find clunky and unnecessarily tedious. What I love is the huge pool of actual roleplayers who know how to, you know, roleplay. But there is one thing that's begun to wear on me, and it came up again last night, for about the umpteenth time (LJ can spell "umpteenth," but not "LJ"?). When I created my character, I wrote some very particular Lovecraftian stuff into her background. What I did not realize was how much CoX players rely on the "Call of Cthlhu" rpg for their understanding of Lovecraft, rather than relying on Lovecraft's actual writing.
The problem with this is that the rpg is drawn from the "Mythos" invented by August Derleth, and not from HPL. Yes, Derleth likely saved Lovecraft from oblivion, but in the process he managed to mangle the basic Cosmicism if HPL's work. I'm not going into all the whys and wherefores right now, though I'm thinking of devoting a post to it later on. I would refer people to Richard L. Tierney's essay, "The Derleth Mythos," only it's pretty much impossible to find****. I'd refer people to S.T. Joshi's The Rise and Fall of the Cthulhu Mythos, only few people are going to take the time to read what is, essentially, an entire book on the problem of what Lovecraft actually wrote vs. how Derleth rewrote Lovecraft, and how it's the revisionist stuff that has embedded itself so deeply in pop culture (including the "Call of Cthulhu" rpg).
But no, you cannot ward off Nyarlathotep with an elder sign, any more than you can fend off a cometary impact with a Hostess Twinkie. No, elder signs are not like Raid to the Old Ones. No, the Lovecraft Mythos (as opposed to Derleth's "Cthulhu Mythos") is not a battle between "good" and "evil," which is, to quote Derleth, "basically similar" to the Christian Mythos. No, the "Elder Gods" (mostly invented by Derleth and successors) are not powers of "good" at war with the "evil" Great Old Ones. And so on, and so forth.
Mostly, it's becoming clear to me (and Joshi points this out in the aforementioned book) that many who utilize various elements from Lovecraft's writing have never actually read Lovecraft. They've come by his "gods" and various entities and elements and fictional texts secondhand, via such wrongheaded sources as "The Call of Cthulhu" rpg or writers who followed Derleth (such as, ugh, Brian Lumley). Now, I can be very naive, I admit, and this comes as a shock to me. And I will not rp pseudo-Lovecraft. It squicks me out. But I love CoX, and pseudo-Lovecraft is everywhere...so...I don't know. Maybe I'll just drop all the HPL elements from Erzsébetta's backstory and steer clear of the silly stuff.
I don't want to be off-putting to other players, almost all of whom I've enjoyed rping with, but also can't, in good conscience, as a writer, Lovecraft devotee and HPL scholar, take part in the propagation of the bastardized ideas I've spent so much energy trying to dispel.
I imagine maybe five people who read this blog will give a give a rat's ass about all this. I just had to vent.
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Anyhow, donuts and all...
**** My thanks to
jreynolds for pointing out that Tierney's essay is, in fact, online, so it's not hard to find, and you may read it if you so desire.
Another very good writing day yesterday. I did 1,670 words on The Drowning Girl. Keeping this book's voice on course is a matter of always having to remind myself that I'm writing a book by a schizophrenic, not a book about a schizophrenic. At any rate, the Word Bank grows.
Nothing spectacular about yesterday. It was just a decent day, and those are always welcome. We lit the fireplace for the first time this year. There was a problem with the oven not lightning, but the repair guy came and fixed it. Spooky made corn muffins to go with the second night of chicken and andouille stew. Lately, I love days strewn with mundane events.
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Before anyone else gets this wrong, I need to clarify the matter about Rhode Island electing its first independent governor. Lincoln D. Chafee is not a Libertarian, sensu the Libertarian Party. He is a civil libertarian, but that's another thing altogether. I would imagine he's many of the things Libertarians hate. For instance, he opposes eliminating the federal estate tax and, on November 17, 2005, was the only Republican to vote in favor of reinstating the top federal income tax rate of 39.6% on upper-income payers. Moreover, I am not a Libertarian. Moreover, I detest the Libertarian Party and have since college. Were I to categorize myself politically, I'd probably say I'm a far-left leaning Democrat. So, hope we're all clear on that now.
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I've been playing lots of City of Heroes and Villains lately. Too much really, which is what happens when I'm having too much fun. I'm not so much crazy about the game part of the game, which I find clunky and unnecessarily tedious. What I love is the huge pool of actual roleplayers who know how to, you know, roleplay. But there is one thing that's begun to wear on me, and it came up again last night, for about the umpteenth time (LJ can spell "umpteenth," but not "LJ"?). When I created my character, I wrote some very particular Lovecraftian stuff into her background. What I did not realize was how much CoX players rely on the "Call of Cthlhu" rpg for their understanding of Lovecraft, rather than relying on Lovecraft's actual writing.
The problem with this is that the rpg is drawn from the "Mythos" invented by August Derleth, and not from HPL. Yes, Derleth likely saved Lovecraft from oblivion, but in the process he managed to mangle the basic Cosmicism if HPL's work. I'm not going into all the whys and wherefores right now, though I'm thinking of devoting a post to it later on. I would refer people to Richard L. Tierney's essay, "The Derleth Mythos," only it's pretty much impossible to find****. I'd refer people to S.T. Joshi's The Rise and Fall of the Cthulhu Mythos, only few people are going to take the time to read what is, essentially, an entire book on the problem of what Lovecraft actually wrote vs. how Derleth rewrote Lovecraft, and how it's the revisionist stuff that has embedded itself so deeply in pop culture (including the "Call of Cthulhu" rpg).
But no, you cannot ward off Nyarlathotep with an elder sign, any more than you can fend off a cometary impact with a Hostess Twinkie. No, elder signs are not like Raid to the Old Ones. No, the Lovecraft Mythos (as opposed to Derleth's "Cthulhu Mythos") is not a battle between "good" and "evil," which is, to quote Derleth, "basically similar" to the Christian Mythos. No, the "Elder Gods" (mostly invented by Derleth and successors) are not powers of "good" at war with the "evil" Great Old Ones. And so on, and so forth.
Mostly, it's becoming clear to me (and Joshi points this out in the aforementioned book) that many who utilize various elements from Lovecraft's writing have never actually read Lovecraft. They've come by his "gods" and various entities and elements and fictional texts secondhand, via such wrongheaded sources as "The Call of Cthulhu" rpg or writers who followed Derleth (such as, ugh, Brian Lumley). Now, I can be very naive, I admit, and this comes as a shock to me. And I will not rp pseudo-Lovecraft. It squicks me out. But I love CoX, and pseudo-Lovecraft is everywhere...so...I don't know. Maybe I'll just drop all the HPL elements from Erzsébetta's backstory and steer clear of the silly stuff.
I don't want to be off-putting to other players, almost all of whom I've enjoyed rping with, but also can't, in good conscience, as a writer, Lovecraft devotee and HPL scholar, take part in the propagation of the bastardized ideas I've spent so much energy trying to dispel.
I imagine maybe five people who read this blog will give a give a rat's ass about all this. I just had to vent.
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Anyhow, donuts and all...
**** My thanks to
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Date: 2010-11-04 05:10 pm (UTC)http://www.epberglund.com/RGttCM/nightscapes/NS04/hplnf3.htm
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Date: 2010-11-04 05:37 pm (UTC)Actually...it is. Thank you for finding that! I should've have Googled.
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Date: 2010-11-04 05:19 pm (UTC)PS. I have no idea why I have such issues with Facebook accepting friend requests and then screwing it up in my news feeds. I think I have it figured out, at the moment I had to unfriend you, I'll probably get around to sending another invite tonight when I get home from work.
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Date: 2010-11-04 05:40 pm (UTC)PS. I have no idea why I have such issues with Facebook accepting friend requests and then screwing it up in my news feeds. I think I have it figured out, at the moment I had to unfriend you, I'll probably get around to sending another invite tonight when I get home from work.
I've noticed that something odd's going on.
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Date: 2010-11-04 05:21 pm (UTC)I am looking forward to this book.
(And I finally slept more than two hours, so I have the minimum of brain with which to interact. Hey.)
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Date: 2010-11-04 05:41 pm (UTC)(And I finally slept more than two hours, so I have the minimum of brain with which to interact. Hey.)
Kudos on sleep. And yes, interact. I'm hoping we can get together soon, though November is looking awful. I begin to fear I'll be unable to leave the house for a month.
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Date: 2010-11-04 05:25 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-11-04 05:42 pm (UTC)Ah, yes, Brian Lumley. The books I stopped reading (or taking remotely seriously) when Titus Crow met Cthulhu's good twin and his beautiful daughter clad in the highest of 1973 fashions.
I'm not even going to get started.
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Date: 2010-11-04 05:26 pm (UTC)As it specifically relates to CoX?
Ah, no. I see. As someone who came to know Lovecraft through Call of Cthulhu the RPG first, the stories themselves second and is only now making anything like a study of Lovecraft and his work (guided largely by the H.P. Lovecraft Literary Podcast)I'm only just getting the picture of what Derleth did to the corpus while he was doing for it.
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Date: 2010-11-04 05:44 pm (UTC)As someone who came to know Lovecraft through Call of Cthulhu the RPG first, the stories themselves second and is only now making anything like a study of Lovecraft and his work (guided largely by the H.P. Lovecraft Literary Podcast)I'm only just getting the picture of what Derleth did to the corpus while he was doing for it.
It is so pervasive, and unless you really stop to read Lovecraft, and contrast and compare...you wind up with this skewed idea of the "Mythos."
Count me as one of the 5!
Date: 2010-11-04 05:30 pm (UTC)The latter will always be more terrifying/rewarding to me.
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Date: 2010-11-04 05:45 pm (UTC)Nothing saves nobody.
You just did a marvelous job of summing up Lovecraft, in three words. I may quote you repeatedly.
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Date: 2010-11-04 05:30 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-11-04 05:46 pm (UTC)Thanks for the title knod to Godzilla.
You're welcome.
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Date: 2010-11-04 05:52 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-11-04 05:59 pm (UTC)Although this is completely unrelated to your entry, I thought I would make you aware of the new Decemberist's song "Down by the Water" which you can download for free from the band's website. I repeat: for FREE.
I was unaware of this. Thank you!
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Date: 2010-11-04 06:02 pm (UTC)And I thought this book (links to pictures on the website) might be interesting or usefull to you.. http://www.psupress.org/books/titles/978-0-271-03684-7.html
Re: A rats ass and a link for you.
Date: 2010-11-04 06:06 pm (UTC)I give a rats ass about the bastardization of HPL's Mythos. So, 1 of 5 I guess.
It's beginning to look as if more people who read this blog care than I would have thought, which is cool.
And I thought this book (links to pictures on the website) might be interesting or usefull to you..
That looks rather awesome. Thanks!
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Date: 2010-11-04 06:21 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-11-04 06:22 pm (UTC)Our state just got it's first female governor. And she is part Indian too. Too bad she is a republican.
That's just...sad.
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Date: 2010-11-04 06:33 pm (UTC)Am I being a heretic if I admit my favourite HPL is The Colour Out of Space?
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Date: 2010-11-04 06:54 pm (UTC)Am I being a heretic if I admit my favourite HPL is The Colour Out of Space?
Absolutely not. Why would you be? It's one of his very best stories?
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Date: 2010-11-04 06:50 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-11-04 06:55 pm (UTC)I'm one of the five, haha
I think the five must be up to twenty, by now.
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Date: 2010-11-04 07:13 pm (UTC)I'd be very interested in reading that.
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Date: 2010-11-04 07:39 pm (UTC)I'd be very interested in reading that.
I'll see if I can find the patience and the time to write it.
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Date: 2010-11-04 07:14 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-11-04 07:40 pm (UTC)I know a lot of people who came into Lovecraft through rpgs (and that's *not* a diss) who've not heard of Colour, or The Music of Erich Zann. I urge them to read those stories. Colour parallels the Mythos ideas anyway, I guess. Scared the crap out of me when I first read it.
A good Lovecraft story need not invoke moldering text or alien god things. "The Colour Out of Space" is Lovecraft breaking free of many of his shortcomings and writing splendid science fiction.
Being one of the five...
Date: 2010-11-04 07:15 pm (UTC)I tried writing a response and it got really long. Should I post here or in my journal or send you an email? I don't want to have to spam up your LJ, but you did sorta say that I could...
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Date: 2010-11-04 07:43 pm (UTC)Should I post here or in my journal or send you an email? I don't want to have to spam up your LJ, but you did sorta say that I could...
I did. Post it here.
Are you going to point out how the Derleth Mythos is more amenable to roleplaying than the "nobody saves nothing" scenarios presented by genuinely Lovecraftian fiction? I've been waiting for that objection...
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Date: 2010-11-04 07:40 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-11-04 07:44 pm (UTC)As a sidenote, my small circle of HPL -- i guess devotees is the best word since we can't claim scholars (yet) -- any time someone does something misguided we call it pulling a "Lumley." Thought you might get a kick out of that.
Hah! Yes...though I'd say pulling a Derleth, getting back to the root of the problem.
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Date: 2010-11-04 08:32 pm (UTC)I am no expert and never played the CoC rpg (just loved HPL writing) but Derleth (and Lumley) just had this really tacky way of trying to do every story with a BOO! GOTCHA! style and no idea of the things that made HPL great and frightening.
Plus tiresome moralizing.
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Date: 2010-11-04 10:27 pm (UTC)The term 'Cthulu Mythos' really wasn't around when I read HPL, but with the onslaught of Ballatine books at the time reissuing everything from Bramah and MacDonald to the pulp writers from the 1920's more people had more to say. Including 'mythos'.
Lovecraft was refreshingly bleak during a time of 'peace love and flowers', and that no one got out alive or sane was quite an improvement.
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Date: 2010-11-04 10:31 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-11-05 12:28 am (UTC)This actually sounds interesting to read because I have been becoming greatly confused when reading Lovecraft's actual stories verses "common knowledge" of his stuff because it doesn't seem to exactly add up. I've never played the RPG, so not familiar with it, so I would find it interesting what exactly the differences are and such.
Then again, I read history books for pleasure reading.
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Date: 2010-11-05 02:20 am (UTC)Me (loudly): "Brian Lumley!"
*lots of people turn and look*
Me (still quite loud): "You're a fucking hack with not one original thought in your tiny head and you should be glad Lovecraft never had children because they'd probably be suing your sorry ass!"
Than I decided to show myself out before anyone else could.
Anyway, I've been with you since Silk was shiny and new and try like hell to make everyone I know read you. I thought it was high time I thanked you for all the wonderful things your books have done to my brain, so...thank you.
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Date: 2010-11-05 01:05 pm (UTC)Until, of course, the "spiritual granddaughter" of HPL.