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I'm probably feeling far too rabidly antisocial even for a journal entry this morning, but here goes. And isn't it odd that in 2009, an undertaking that was once the very definition of private— writing an entry in a journal or diary —has now become a public spectacle? It seems to me that "we" are so very afraid of a moment alone, truly and completely alone, without even the promise that someone will at least eventually look at what is being done, what we are thinking, what we are feeling. A society that is becoming increasingly exhibitionist, and, of course, also becoming increasingly voyeuristic. It's a nice psychotic balance, I suppose, a new ecosystem of excessive interaction. Or not new, only made more intent, more intensely so. Makes Big Brother's job easier, I suppose.

No writing yesterday. No busyness of writing yesterday (a few emails aside). We went to the shore, to see the heavy surf that was the aftermath of the storm. We went first to Narragansett, to Harbor of Refuge. We were both surprised by the violence of the waves. It was greater than what we'd expected. We walked out on the beach on the western side of the granite jetty. The air was full of salt mist and sea gulls, and the wind was bitter, though the day was freakishly warm (high 60sF here in Providence). The sun was bright, a white hole of fire punched in the sky. It was almost impossible to hear one another over the roar of the waves, but then, there was nothing that needed saying, anyway. We found a surfboard washed up on the sand, its owner nowhere to be seen. It was clear that the high tide, which had been sometime around 9 a.m. (CaST), had come well inland, into the brush and salt marshes north of the harbor. It appeared that wooden barricades had been erected the day before to keep back sightseers, but the waves had smashed them. Spooky found an orange blob of fish eggs amongst the flotsam. I'm not sure how high the waves were— officially, I mean —but they were slamming against and over-topping the jetty (which is 5-7 feet high, if you're standing on the beach it protects), sending spray twenty or thirty feet into the afternoon air.

We left Harbor of Refuge, having decided we wanted to see what was going on farther west, at Moonstone Beach. But first we went all the way down to Point Judith, where the tide was lower than I'd ever seen it before. Mossy green rocks were exposed, and tide pools, but the waves were too treacherous to try for a look at what might be stranded in them. The foghorn at the lighthouse called out over the crash of the breakers.

On the way to Moonstone Beach, I pointed out a bumper sticker to Spooky. "Do No Harm." As if that's even possible, as if every human action, no matter how profound or mundane, doesn't do harm in some way. Still, I suppose it's a nice sentiment.

We reached Moonstone as the sun was getting low. We'd stopped somewhere along the way so I could photograph a field, still green in December. We passed cows and flooded pastures. When we finally reached Moonstone Beach, we found it completely transformed by the storm. The usual carpet of cobbles and pebbles was swept away or buried. Much of the sand was stained black with the ghost of the '96 oil spill. The waves were almost as impressive as those at Harbor of Refuge, four and half miles to the east. Despite low tide, the brackish tea-colored water in Trustom Pond was very high, rushing loudly through the spillway into Card Pond. Spooky and I walked west, towards Green Hill, walking into the wind. But we only went a hundred yards or so. The sun slipped behind clouds advancing from Long Island Sound, and the temperature abruptly plummeted. By the time we made it back to the car, we were shivering and the dunes were in shadow.

And that was yesterday. I have enough photographs for several days, and the first seven are behind the cut below.

Please note that we've begun a new round of eBay auctions. And that Spooky has only four of her Cthulhu-headstone Cehalopodmas ornaments remaining (of the ten she made); you can see (and purchase) them in her Etsy Dreaming Squid Dollworks shop.

There will be no writing today. I have to finish editing "Sanderlings" and get the chapbook ready to send to Subterranean Press. Also, I need to undo a large number of changes that an over-zealous copy-editor wrought upon one of my stories. I will not name the story, the book, or the editors— it wasn't their fault. I just wish publishers would start firing copy-editors who try to become authors vicariously, by "correcting," and thereby mangling, prose. It is an enormous waste of my time that I have to go back, now, and fix what wasn't broken to begin with.

Photos from Harbor of Refuge:





Looking east, from Harbor of Refuge towards the lighthouse at Point Judith.



View to the southeast.



View to the southwest. Jetty at the far right.



Harbor of Refuge, with the jetty at center and to the left. View to the southwest.



Waves visible above the top edge of the jetty. View to the east.



In the lee of the jetty. View to the south southwest.



Violence and gulls on the jetty. VIew to the south.

All photographs Copyright © 2009 by Caitlín R. Kiernan and Kathryn A. Pollnac.

Date: 2009-12-04 06:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sovay
It seems to me that "we" are so very afraid of a moment alone, truly and completely alone, without even the promise that someone will at least eventually look at what is being done, what we are thinking, what we are feeling.

Oh, yes. Nothing is real unless it can be commented on. It's how you know you matter.

I have enough photographs for several days, and the first seven are behind the cut below.

They are very beautiful, especially the surf spilling in to shore. Have in return some images of life in the sea.

Date: 2009-12-04 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greygirlbeast.livejournal.com

Oh, yes. Nothing is real unless it can be commented on. It's how you know you matter.

That seems to be the case, yes.

Thanks for the link!

Date: 2009-12-04 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] corucia.livejournal.com
A society that is becoming increasingly exhibitionist, and, of course, also becoming increasingly voyeuristic.

Among my students (university level), there's an expectation, an assumption, of connectedness. I don't think many of them even consider their actions as exhibitionistic or voyeuristic. They always know what their friends are doing, and if they become friends with someone new, there's an immediate integration into the group. New thoughts and ideas don't develop de novo from within, but are assimilated through addition.

Date: 2009-12-04 06:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greygirlbeast.livejournal.com

Among my students (university level), there's an expectation, an assumption, of connectedness. I don't think many of them even consider their actions as exhibitionistic or voyeuristic. They always know what their friends are doing, and if they become friends with someone new, there's an immediate integration into the group. New thoughts and ideas don't develop de novo from within, but are assimilated through addition.

This is pretty much what I would expect, and I find it utterly terrifying. Perhaps I shouldn't, but I do. Where does the individual factor into this? What about individuals on the fringes? Do they not become even more alienated by this hive-mind behaviour?

Date: 2009-12-04 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] corucia.livejournal.com
Where does the individual factor into this?
I see it as the ultimate extension of the high-school clique mentality. When I was in high school, the in-school cliques were intensive group-fests (no matter what clique it was), but by necessity it dissolved slightly in the after-school hours. That dissolution doesn't happen any more.

What about individuals on the fringes? Do they not become even more alienated by this hive-mind behaviour?
What fringes? I don't think they exist in the same way they used to, because they relied on alienation, moving the targeted individual out of any group or support structure. At a large university, there's enough students that everyone finds a group of like-minded individuals, plus they can keep their group members from previous locations. The ubiquity of cell phones (and their cameras) means that meaningful contact can be maintained without physical proximity. Alienation, and the threat of alienation, becomes much less of a factor.

Date: 2009-12-04 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] birgitriddle.livejournal.com
I can attest to one person who really did not do much of anything social until their 5th year in college. Namely me. And even then I'm not as "in" the group as others are social-wise. I keep a lot of myself back because too many people can overload me. And I go to a large university with about 40,000 students alone.

...Then again, I hate my cellphone and I don't really care that I've lost it because I'm not the type to be in constant contact with people.

But I think for the most part you're right. It really baffles me to sit in one of my seminar courses and see how many of these people know each and from already before and I feel odd at these times because I don't belong. My thoughts are usually "why do all these people know each other and how?"

Date: 2009-12-04 07:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elmocho.livejournal.com
To complete the circle, I'm thinking of copying that first paragraph into my paper journal.

I tend to use the "connected" arenas for stuff I want commentary on, but the rest of it feels fine on paper. I realize someone will probably read it someday, but mostly it's me writing for me, and I'm fine with that. I also constantly critique myself for my lackadaisical writing there.

Though I also think of all those weird little tidbits and manuscripts down through the years that survive only due to being mentioned in other manuscripts. Or the manuscript culture of Early Modern England, and all the strange stuff people had floating around in their miscellanies, and wonder where my stuff will end up after I'm gone.

I have a "Book of Flowers" I save from the early 1850s from somewhere in Connecticut that was lingering on a shelf somewhere. It has several poems inside in several different hands, and I still don't know who put them together for who.

I have issues with the hive mind also. My local "network" is pretty rife with individuals, but I'm enough of a hermit I don't make too many connections. Oddly, I'm the point where a lot of the streams cross, though I find people I have met through some circles are friends with friends I've made years earlier.

It's tough to say whether or not I feel more or less alienated, for as much as I find in common with these groups, it makes me aware of how much I don't have in common. I often think of the opening of Sinclair Lewis's Main Street:

"Such is our comfortable tradition and sure faith. Would he not betray himself an alien cynic who should otherwise portray Main Street, or distress the citizens by speculating whether there may not be other faiths?"

I have to remind folks that more often than not, I'm the alien cynic among them for many reasons, whatever appreciations we hold in common.

Date: 2009-12-04 07:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greygirlbeast.livejournal.com

I have a "Book of Flowers" I save from the early 1850s from somewhere in Connecticut that was lingering on a shelf somewhere. It has several poems inside in several different hands, and I still don't know who put them together for who.

There's a sadness to that, but, somehow, this fact also makes them more precious.

I realize someone will probably read it someday, but mostly it's me writing for me, and I'm fine with that.

It seems to be getting harder and harder for me to do that, write those things that are for me and me only. My private journal has been languishing, for the most part, since sometime in 2005. And I hate this. I hate it so much, but it's still happening. It's as though I'm so terrified I have to be a part of this bizarre gestalt shift in order for my fiction to reach an audience. A fear of being forgotten. And the secret thoughts fall by the wayside, increasingly. Otherwise, I would leave Twitter and Facebook immediately. And probably write a lot less here.

Date: 2009-12-04 08:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elmocho.livejournal.com
I don't know how it works for you in terms of separating out your private writing from your public writing. Though I'm mostly in the unpublished ranks-- save for some ever-petrifying journalism-- I always had a sense of what I wrote for an audience versus what I wrote for myself.

The stuff I write for myself tends to be very plain, conversational, and tersely descriptive: "I cooked this meal today"; "I went for a walk and write this at the G.I. Bill Memorial." (Nice place to write!) I don't get into any prose pyrotechnics. However, most of what I've written over the last three years has been that sort of thing. I know it's of lower quality and only serves me, but I don't seem to be writing much else. And yet, with the prospect of an audience, I can see the quality improve.

It seems to be the problem you mention, in reverse.

I think to write my secret thoughts, I need to give it some sort of frame, which may or may not ever become public. I started a memoir a few years ago on such terms and never sought to publish it. However, the people I've shared it with, not with an eye towards publication, but merely explanation, said it was one of the best things they'd read on the subject. I had not intended that at the time, but it needed something extra for me to put the effort into it.

Did any of your difficulty surface in some of the diary portions of The Red Tree? I imagine crafting a fictional journal might illuminate problems with one's own journal, and you have mentioned that there's a lot of autobiographical detail.

Date: 2009-12-04 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greygirlbeast.livejournal.com

Did any of your difficulty surface in some of the diary portions of The Red Tree?

Yes. In the end, when it was written, I was rather horrified that so much of it was, essentially, autobiography. A lot of that happened unconsciously. And I think that may be because I am, increasingly, unable to distinguish between that which ought to be personal and that which ought to be private. I suppose this is the ghost of my own propriety, and propriety must surely be an unfashionable thing these days.

Date: 2009-12-04 08:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elmocho.livejournal.com
These days and others:

"I never travel without my diary. One should always have something sensational to read in the train."

I grew up in a rather enmeshed household, so my sense of privacy is blurred. I don't think anyone in my family writes letters to people: they always seemed to be a product for group consumption, probably a holdover from the days where people had little information except for long letters from the relatives. As a reaction to this, I'm very private about some things.

However, my perceptions are also skewed by knowing many journals, once private, eventually work their way to the historians' mitts. So the tack I take is to try to write the personal and private, omitting nothing, and dodge the idea that someone may see it a few decades or centuries down the line, and may prove valuable in ways I hadn't considered.

Date: 2009-12-04 11:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thimbleofrain.livejournal.com
Blame Bukowski. Or, perhaps, Hemmingway.

Should all novelists be forced to lead exciting, interesting lives so that we can use them as fodder for our “fictions”?

Date: 2009-12-04 11:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greygirlbeast.livejournal.com

Should all novelists be forced to lead exciting, interesting lives so that we can use them as fodder for our “fictions”?

By no means and a thousands time no. However, I do fear that those who live (or have lived) interesting lives write better, simply because they've lived more. This, however, really has nothing to do with issues of privacy.

Date: 2009-12-05 12:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thimbleofrain.livejournal.com
I do fear that those who live (or have lived) interesting lives write better, simply because they've lived more.

It’s something to draw on, certainly. I imagine all artists cannibalize themselves, whether overtly or not. And if the cupboard is bare...

This, however, really has nothing to do with issues of privacy.

I was more commenting on the notion of propriety. (And I was kind of joking.) It’s easier to skinny dip when other people are already doing it. You may even feel compelled...

Date: 2009-12-05 12:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greygirlbeast.livejournal.com

You may even feel compelled...

I would say you may even feel peer pressure and industry expectation...to skinny dip.

Date: 2009-12-05 01:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thimbleofrain.livejournal.com
You definitely lay it out there...

Date: 2009-12-04 11:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thimbleofrain.livejournal.com
I have wondered why you do this (and Facebook and Twitter), at least to such a large extent, particularly since it seems to take a toll on you, at least lately. Obviously, I follow your journal and enjoy it, and I occasionally look at your Facebook stream. Truth be told, I would actually prefer that you stopped broadcasting to Facebook and Twitter, except to announce a release of something that you did and to post your journal. I kind of want every famous person (and aren’t we all famous now?) to decide on a public “channel” and stick with that. If the point of these channels is to create intimacy with the people who follow/collect/befriend you, I know that I, personally, feel the love more if I feel like I’m dialed into your one-and-only “real” channel.

How much is keeping these channels up-to-the-minute costing you in productivity and sanity? There must be a “sweet spot.” Generating more book sales probably doesn't justify endangering the creation of future books. I really am afraid (and I care, ironically, because you do all of this) that you are going to exhaust yourself, or—I don’t know—break yourself somehow. And all the kings horses... Etc.

Date: 2009-12-04 11:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greygirlbeast.livejournal.com


How much is keeping these channels up-to-the-minute costing you in productivity and sanity?


It's not really much of an issue with time. Well, except with the LiveJournal, and so long as people want to read it, I'll keep doing it. On average, it costs me-1.5/2 hrs. a day to keep the LJ interesting. Very low on sanity, since I don't allow anonymous comments and I'm quick to squelch anything that truly irritates me. Yes, in the Realm of My LJ, I am a despot.

On the other hand, Twitter and Facebook take very little time, virtually none, really. But they have exacted quite a bit sanity-wise, as I cannot turn off comments on Facebook (Oh, if only), and if Twitter is to be useful to me, I can't very well have it private. So...I don't know. I suspect I'll drop Twitter and Facebook, eventually.

Date: 2009-12-05 12:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thimbleofrain.livejournal.com
I think you need a public Facebook “presence” (it’s the One Ring at this point), but your fan page would probably serve. What return do you see on Twitter? I really just don’t get that app. And reading through all of that junk has to pull your mind in a lot of different directions, even if it doesn’t take you much time to do it...

Date: 2009-12-05 12:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greygirlbeast.livejournal.com

There is some interesting evidence that Facebook and Twitter are reaching two different demographics (Twitter being an older crowd, generally)...but...

What return do I see on anything? It's almost impossible to judge. I can say that X number of people are "following" me on Twitter, or X number have "friended" me on LJ, but I cannot possibly say what that equals in any sort of tangible return.

Date: 2009-12-05 01:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thimbleofrain.livejournal.com
I can say that X number of people are "following" me on Twitter, or X number have "friended" me on LJ, but I cannot possibly say what that equals in any sort of tangible return.

That’s why I think, if you don’t get something intangible out of it, you should minimize or eliminate it. It needs to be fun/informative/satisfying/calming in its own right, doesn’t it—in order to justify more energy than that?

Date: 2009-12-05 02:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scarletboi.livejournal.com
Twitter has proven to be a very effective tool for independent artists to connect with and mobilize their fanbases, not to mention building that fanbase. Here is an article about how Amanda Palmer (she of the Dresden Dolls and lately solo) made far more money off of a night on Twitter than she did off the entirety of her major label solo album.

It's important to know that just because one doesn't understand the usefulness of something, it can nevertheless be useful.

Date: 2009-12-05 03:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greygirlbeast.livejournal.com

Twitter has proven to be a very effective tool for independent artists to connect with and mobilize their fanbases, not to mention building that fanbase. Here is an article about how Amanda Palmer (she of the Dresden Dolls and lately solo) made far more money off of a night on Twitter than she did off the entirety of her major label solo album.

It is important to remember that Amanda came to Twitter with her fan base already in place. Twitter didn't create it. It only helped her communicate with it.

Date: 2009-12-05 03:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scarletboi.livejournal.com
It is important to remember that Amanda came to Twitter with her fan base already in place. Twitter didn't create it. It only helped her communicate with it.

Definitely, though I think that the ease with which it enables her to connect (and to make her fans feel connected) makes Twitter no less important or useful a tool. I have seen people introduced to Amanda's work through Twitter as well, and cross-pollination from other twitterers (Neil, of course, but also Warren Ellis and others) that helped raise awareness of her and her music.

All that said, I'm not sure Twitter is necessarily as useful for you as it is for her. Amanda is a cult of personality, and a extremely extroverted person. She is as much an internet marketer as an artist, these days, and I can't imagine you have the temperament, time or energy to perform the sorts of social acrobatics she does with her video streams and #lofnotc (Losers On Friday Night On Their Computers) shenanigans. All conversations about Amanda's success have to be made with the understanding that, whether you like her or not, she's an outlier and a force of nature.

But while the results aren't as dramatic, I think raising awareness of you (hateful term, but) as a "brand" through Facebook and Twitter can only help.

Date: 2009-12-05 06:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thimbleofrain.livejournal.com
It's important to know that just because one doesn't understand the usefulness of something, it can nevertheless be useful.

I asked the question (What return do you see on Twitter?), not believing I already knew the answer.

I do understand Twitter as a marketing tool—once your brand reaches a certain threshold of fame. And Amanda Palmer (the brand, champion of all things “indie”) is there. Also, being an early adopter counts for quite a bit. (Look at most of the artists with millions of hits on deviantArt, for example.) So that part I get.

But not really knowing Amanda, I would guess that she enjoys “tweeting.” Even if it weren’t such a successful marketing channel for her, she might tweet anyway. CRK apparently doesn’t enjoy it. So, while I agree that being on Twitter probably “helps,” does it help enough to justify itself? I would guess not.

Maybe I should have asked, “Could you learn to enjoy it?”

Date: 2009-12-05 06:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greygirlbeast.livejournal.com

Maybe I should have asked, “Could you learn to enjoy it?”

To which I would reply, "Why would I bother?" Which brings us back to the question of whether or not it's useful. And whether or not one can determine if it's useful for any given person.

Date: 2009-12-05 07:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thimbleofrain.livejournal.com
To which I would reply, "Why would I bother?" Which brings us back to the question of whether or not it's useful. And whether or not one can determine if it's useful for any given person.

There is risk involved with any venture. According to business research texts, “great” companies don’t often dabble. They either fully fund a program or they phase it out. They have successes and failures, but not because/in spite of the fact that they didn’t invest in them. Successful cigarette companies hire people who believe passionately that people ought to have the right to indulge in smoking even though it’s bad for them. Etc.

If you can’t be bothered to learn to enjoy Twitter (after having used it for months), I don’t think it’s likely to bring success for you—even if the potential is there.

Date: 2009-12-05 08:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thimbleofrain.livejournal.com
Off the cuff, it occurs to me suddenly that, when you play WoW, your characters should all be named “Caitlín R. (Fucking) Kiernan,” and your intention should be to get befriended (in game) by as many people as possible. I don’t know the game that well. Can you make up your own “lore” and such? Can you sell/promote real-world items? I have to believe a large cross-section of WoW players are potential customers of your work. Can you hold your own raids (or whatever)? Can you use your real-world fame to make yourself stand out in your guild? When you play the game, you’re talking over a headset, right? You could chat about all of the famous people you’ve known and worked with, what it’s like to be a fantasy writer, insights you have into the world of trying to get a movie made from one of your books, etc. I’m sure that, if people knew who you were, they would ask questions. Playing their game and being a fantasy writer will probably already make you cool in their book. People should want to join your guild just because you are in it.

I could see you being successful with a marketing campaign like that. You have a passion for WoW (even though it’s bad for you).

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