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There are certain sorts of book reviews I like better than others. For example, I loathe the "book report" style of review. And one of the sorts I most enjoy reading is the book review wherein the reviewer spends more time talking about the effect the book has had on her or him than about the book itself. Which is exactly the sort that Catherynne M. Valente ([livejournal.com profile] yuki_onna) has written about The Red Tree. You can read her review here. It made me very, very happy. I particularly liked this line —— "I thought it would be like House of Leaves, but it was nothing, really, nothing like that book..." I think it's a fair mistake a lot of readers will make going into the novel, in part because of the way I've chosen to present it.

Started the day off talking with my film agent at UTA, describing to him the sort of film I think should be made from The Red Tree, which is a very peculiar way to begin a day. More on this as it develops.

Yesterday, I wrote 1,092 words on a new sf story, "A Hole in the Bottom of the Sea," that I've been trying to get started since early June. Yesterday, I finally found the way in. It may throw off my plans to get both Sirenia Digest #s 45 and 46 written this month. But what the hell. This is a story I want to write, and one that's been in my head for more than two months, that has refused me entry until yesterday. Oh, a question. In it, I present a new subspecies of Homo sapeins genetically engineered for life in the sea, H. sapiens natator. And I'm calling them "amphibs." But I don't really like that term, because they're not actually amphibious, but completely marine. Any suggestions for an alternate term?

Also, I had a new sort of soda yesterday. It's called Zevia, and it's sweetened not with cane sugar, but with an herb called stevia (Stevia rebaudiana). The lemon-lime flavor is quite good, with only a faint aftertaste. The root beer wasn't very good, but I have hope for both the orange and ginger ale. Anyway, Zevia is sugar free, caffeine free, has zero calories, and no net carbohydrates.

Anyway, I'm running a little late, and there's email to answer, so I should probably wind this up.

Date: 2009-08-13 05:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jtglover.livejournal.com
Depending on who genetically engineered them, I'd go with "frogs" or "squids," and probably the latter because they're purely marine. Both terms are currently in use for humans who go into the water, so...

Another route might be to (nick)name them after some sort of marine creature with which humans are quite familiar: "goldies," "guppies," etc.

Date: 2009-08-13 05:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greygirlbeast.livejournal.com

You're on the right track, I think. But yeah, frogs are almost always freshwater (though we still call them "frogmen") and "squids" somehow gives all the wrong connotations.

Date: 2009-08-13 05:18 pm (UTC)
sovay: (I Claudius)
From: [personal profile] sovay
And I'm calling them "amphibs." But I don't really like that term, because they're not actually amphibious, but completely marine. Any suggestions for an alternate term?

Mariana?

Date: 2009-08-13 05:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greygirlbeast.livejournal.com

Nah. Looking for something less poetic, with a hint of derision. The sort of thing the USMC might actually nickname aquatic humans.

Date: 2009-08-13 05:26 pm (UTC)
sovay: (I Claudius)
From: [personal profile] sovay
The sort of thing the USMC might actually nickname aquatic humans.

Gotcha. What are their distinguishing characteristics? What could they be visually (if demeaningly) likened to?

Date: 2009-08-13 05:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greygirlbeast.livejournal.com

Gotcha. What are their distinguishing characteristics? What could they be visually (if demeaningly) likened to?

Well, that's a problem. I'm still working that out in my mind. Vaguely mermaidish.

Date: 2009-08-13 06:11 pm (UTC)
sovay: (I Claudius)
From: [personal profile] sovay
Vaguely mermaidish.

"Tails"? Which gets you sexual as well as species disparagement.

Date: 2009-08-13 06:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greygirlbeast.livejournal.com

That might work. Now I'm wondering if there are any males, or if they reproduce via parthenogenesis.

Date: 2009-08-13 06:35 pm (UTC)
sovay: (I Claudius)
From: [personal profile] sovay
Now I'm wondering if there are any males, or if they reproduce via parthenogenesis.

They could be sequential hermaphrodites.

Date: 2009-08-13 07:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greygirlbeast.livejournal.com

They could be sequential hermaphrodites.

Oohh. That's nice.

Date: 2009-08-13 07:12 pm (UTC)
sovay: (I Claudius)
From: [personal profile] sovay
Oohh. That's nice.

Go for it!

Date: 2009-08-13 06:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ardiril.livejournal.com
"The sort of thing the USMC might actually nickname aquatic humans."

As a US Marine vet, I can say that their nicknames often come more from what something is made of (or looks like it may be made of) than from its actual use. Also, if it looks like something it totally isn't, especially genitalia. Finally, Marines are very good at finding alternative uses for items that designers never intended, and thus another good source of nicknames.

Date: 2009-08-13 05:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grinkat.livejournal.com
Humariners?

Date: 2009-08-13 05:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greygirlbeast.livejournal.com

Too comicbooky, and not in a good way.

Date: 2009-08-13 05:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greygirlbeast.livejournal.com
Hmmm. It still doesn't feel like something that could function not only as slang/shorthand, but also as a slur. Someone on Facebook suggested "hydros," which has a little punch. It should objectify, without prettying up or in anyway dignifying.
Edited Date: 2009-08-13 05:48 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-08-13 05:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tsarina.livejournal.com
Man, I would fall over in joy at a Red Tree feature film. In my head, I picture Sarah as looking a lot like Sigourney Weaver.

Date: 2009-08-13 06:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greygirlbeast.livejournal.com
Man, I would fall over in joy at a Red Tree feature film. In my head, I picture Sarah as looking a lot like Sigourney Weaver.

I wouldn't be unhappy with Weaver, though, in my head, I see Jodie Foster.
Edited Date: 2009-08-13 06:02 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-08-13 06:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nykolus.livejournal.com
grr... damn book cover. i cannot get that image out of my head and only picture 'that' sarah when i read.

Date: 2009-08-13 06:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greygirlbeast.livejournal.com
grr... damn book cover. i cannot get that image out of my head and only picture 'that' sarah when i read.

Actually, the woman on the cover is meant. to be Constance.
Edited Date: 2009-08-13 06:28 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-08-13 07:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nykolus.livejournal.com
well... ahem... there ya go. my apologies.

Date: 2009-08-13 09:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greygirlbeast.livejournal.com

No need to apologize. It's not like she looks like Constance.

Date: 2009-08-14 01:31 am (UTC)
ext_4772: (Palindromes!)
From: [identity profile] chris-walsh.livejournal.com
Now I'm wondering what it'd take to take a Chuck Palahniuk-style movement going where people make their own covers for your books. (Didn't you say that of your mass-market covers, only the ones for Silk and Murder of Angels come close to how you'd pictured the characters?)

in my head, I see Jodie Foster.

You just want to imagine Jodie Foster getting laid, don't you?

*ducks something thrown*

Personally, I'm picturing Sarah Crowe a little curvier than Foster's ever been, for whatever reason.

By the way, I'm glad you and [livejournal.com profile] yuki_onna are in touch. She's good people.

With the USMC thought in mind...

Date: 2009-08-13 06:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seph-ski.livejournal.com
Sharks, bottom-feeders, reefers, gillheads/necks, flippers, finmen, scalies, ...

Am I on the right track?

Re: With the USMC thought in mind...

Date: 2009-08-13 11:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mckenzie34.livejournal.com
Appropo of nothing, but something that once made me laugh:
People who hang out at the river and fish all day 'n' party--
a friend once called them "gillbillies". I thought that
was funnier'n hell.

Just finished The Red Tree today. Now I'm struggling with
post partum depression. This always happens to me with
your books. An odd compliment, but a compliment nonetheless.

Have you seen this yet?
http://www.universalstudioshollywood.com/attraction_creature_black_lagoon.html

Re: With the USMC thought in mind...

Date: 2009-09-20 03:33 pm (UTC)
ext_4772: (Cartoon Chris)
From: [identity profile] chris-walsh.livejournal.com
I like flippers.

Except when they're attached to someone like Arty, right? (I finally finished reading Geek Love. Took me a year on-and-off (http://community.livejournal.com/specficbooks/20845.html); I struggled with the book, but I'm glad I read it.)

I know that's not what you were referring to, but resist it I couldn't decided not to.

Date: 2009-08-13 07:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] martianmooncrab.livejournal.com
in my mind I review books by going with Meets Expectations, Didnt see that Coming, Better Than I Expected, and *Wow*. I also have Wont get that Time back, but those books are few and far between.

The new aquatic human story is interesting, I would think the slang term would reflect some physical attribute of them, such as fins or gills, and then it does do terrible things to the phrase "sleeps with the fishes" ... (the mind going in sharp quick turns of accents and insults)

Amphibious Humans

Date: 2009-08-13 08:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cliff52.livejournal.com
I like these animals (http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/mag/indexmag.html). In addition to what you decide as a common designation, a derisive term could be 'Sea Squirts', which could be a reference to the reproductive practices of some fish.

Coincidence?

Date: 2009-08-13 09:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaz-mahoney.livejournal.com
I wanted to tell you that while I was reading The Red Tree today, in the park after work, I found a brownish leaf on the picnic blanket - just as I finished Chapter Five.

We were nowhere near any trees. I asked my friend what kind of leaf it was, and he replied: "I think it's an oak..."

That's totally true! I was only mildly freaked out. ;)

Re: Coincidence?

Date: 2009-08-13 09:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greygirlbeast.livejournal.com

All I got to say is don't look at me...I'm just the messenger.

Re: Coincidence?

Date: 2009-08-13 09:27 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-08-13 10:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robyn-ma.livejournal.com
'Any suggestions for an alternate term?'

Jonseerites?

...Well, I'm assuming they're going to be slimy and incomprehensible.

Date: 2009-08-14 01:33 am (UTC)
ext_4772: (Walking)
From: [identity profile] chris-walsh.livejournal.com
I like the way you think.

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